the differance in on game performance between the 35 whelen and 338-06 is extremely small, but again theres a better selection of bullets with thicker jackets and a slight advantage in ballistic cof. This rifle flattens elk! These guns really perform on Elk and Moose. It appears that this load has been discontinued. Elk died but the performance of the 225 grain tsx bullet was a little disappointing. ’06 right through the .35 dies and BAM! Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Speers and they failed to preform anywhere near as well as the Noslers, in fact they were terrible. It would perform better than the .30-’06 on the truly large game of North America, making it a perfectly logical choice for the wilds of Alaska and Western Canada. While there were many, including the massive .400 Whelen—it is the .35 Whelen that is most closely associated with the good Colonel. This is the .35 Whelen, with all the taper taken out of the case, and the shoulder moved forward and made much sharper. 20 Caliber.204” Diameter. Compared to the 35 Whelen, the 338-06 has better long range capability. Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:18 pm Posts: 1602 Location: Houghton Lake, Michigan Have any of you used the 250 sp-rp interlock on elk or bear? Both loads are right at 2600 fps. The bigger .35s are excellent for elk but are just too much recoil for deer when faced with close range timber hunting. I'm using 225gr TXSs. My review is based on real-life (or death) as it were, use of these bullets on elk and moose. I personally think it would go through both shoulders with no problem. I've always had very good luck getting Hornadys to shoot well, and my CDL Whelen will consistantly lay a magazine full into a MOA with R12/R15/H4895/IMR4895/H BLC-2. 22 PPC-USA. • .454 Casull• .375 H&H Magnum• .45 Colt• .22-250 Remington• 10mm Auto• .308 Winchester, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. btw I hunt with a 340 mag and a 35 whelen, BOTH cartridges definatly have greater penetration than the 30-06 I used to hunt ELK with. I have had excellent results with Nosler Partions, 250gr, at 2500 fps in my Whelen, both on elk and bear and in Africa. The 200 and 225-grain AccuBond® are excellent bullet choices for this cartridge, and is suitable for any North American big game. Also, no problem with brass, ever. In keeping with the .35-caliber curse, the .35 Whelen never caught the fancy of the mainstream American hunting public. Works great. 22 Hornet. But I've read time and again that the 250 speer from the Whelen is an EXCELLENT bullet. Rifle Cartridges. The .35 Whelen will neatly handle all of the North American ungulates, including moose and elk, and if trajectory is a concern, the 225-grain bonded-core spitzers will offer a good blend of terminal performance and flatter bullet path. While I haven't shot any moose with the 35 Whelen yet,but I have shot a cow elk with my T/C Encore 15" 35 Whelen handgun,using a handloaded Hornady 250gr. Only one kill with the Whelen on a Colorado elk. Friday, January 13, 2017. The Whelen is also an excellent cartridge for pig hunting on any continent. On a running away shot, the 250-grain Whelen Core-Lokt caused that elk to crumple into a heap. If the range is over 250 yards with the Whelen, you may not get expansion with the TSX, inspite of what they advertise at Whelen velocities. I haven't looked at the TSX's yet but it sounds like another good possiblility. What I don't like about any of the 35's is the selection of available bullets. In addition, the lighter bullets—the 180 and 200 grain slugs made famous in the .35 Remington—are equally useful for the lighter game species; couple that with the fact that the pistol bullets for the .38 Special and .357 Magnum are available for practice and plinking and you can get a good idea of the Whelen’s versatility. Your 35 Whelen with the load you have will perform very well on elk at any reasonable distance, given proper placement. round nose at 2100fps. The only elk I'ver ever lost was shot poorly with a Nosler 225 BT. I’ve used the .35 Whelen for elk as well as moose, and in reasonably close cover it’s perfect for either. I have had great success with the 225 gr Nosler PT. I have both .35 Whelen (Rem Woodsmaster Auto and Rem 700 CDL) and .350 Remington Mag's (Rem Classic 700 and Rem Model 660 circa 1967). 225 Win. 338-06 A-Square is one very outstanding round. Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:04 am . Here's my question for you experienced Whelen shooters.. 35 Whelen Load Data. I prefer the Whelen myself for the nice smooth loading out of the magazine. 204 Ruger. Am I thinking on the right track or could I expect to need to take longer shots? The Nosler 225-grain AccuBond (left) is about as aerodynamic as they get, and it still rates only .430, as compared to the 160-grain 7mm bullet (BC: .531) shown for comparison. I have had bad experiences with TSX's when velocity drops under 2,200 fps. Here in Washington state we have the largest elk species the Roosevelt and I have shot many with each of these rifles. and 250 gr. 22-250 Rem. .35 Whelen: The Poor Man’s Magnum | Big Game Hunting Blog The .350 Remington Magnum is just about the ballistic twin of the Whelen, but comes with case capacity issues, giving a definite advantage to the Whelen case. 22 Caliber.224” Diameter. For the serious black bear hunter, I feel the Whelen would make a perfect choice, if you’re setting up a rifle for that purpose, and I’d bet you’d be reaching for that rifle more often than you think. In a pinch, .30-’06 Springfield brass can be converted into Whelen cartridges without much trouble at all. All exited, except one of the GS (lengthwise through a cow as it she towards me at 150 yds, found under the hide of the ham) and the 225 X, which broke both shoulders and a rib on a bull broadside at 80 yd, found under the hide of the far shoulder. I've killed elk, caribou and mule deer with 250 Speer Grand Slam and Hornady 250 RN Interlock bullets without the hint of a problem. My heavy rifle is a customized '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen. 222 Rem Mag. 17 Rem. 35 Whelen I used the 35 Whelen last year for Elk and Bear in Idaho. 22-250 Rem Ack Imp. I used the 140gr Accubond in the 270 and it did OK on Elk, but it just didn't have the smack down I would have liked. My Dad’s rifle is actually chambered in a wildcat round — .35 Whelen Improved — which allows it to be loaded a bit hotter than the .35 Whelen. 17 Rem Fireball. To tell ya the truth, both the Hornady and Speer make great bullets at 2,600fps and a premium is not needed. 220 Swift. If it is i would probably pick the Speer as i like its shape better. The .35 Whelen will neatly handle all of the North American ungulates, including moose and elk, and if trajectory is a concern, the 225-grain bonded-core spitzers will offer a good blend of terminal performance and flatter bullet path. IMO the 35 Whelen and the 250 gn NP is a match made in heaven. Is the Hornady a Spire Point? However, Ive not seen any differences in the terminal effects of my 35 Whelen and .338 Win Mag, inside of the range of the Whelen. I've shot 8 elk with the .35 Whelen, 5 elk (and one moose and one caribou) with the 250 speer GS, one elk with the speer 250 psp, one with a Hornady 250RN, One with Barnes x 225. While there are a number of good factory loads available—including the Hornady Superformance, Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Nosler Custom Partition—the reloader can fully take advantage of the premium and boutique bullets, even further extending the versatility of the Whelen case. If you're stuck on 250's I'd try the Nosler Partition, otherwise I'd use the 225 TSX and not look back... Heres another vote for the Barnes 225 grain TSX. 223 Rem. The .35 Whelen will be used with 225gr Nosler Partitions or Barnes Triple Shock. 22 BR Rem. I have only taken one animal with a friend's 35 Whelen in a Remington 7600 with the 250 gr Corlokt bullet; a cow elk at over 400 yards. The 225 gr Sierra is a great bullet in my M700 Classic 35 Whelen for target shooting. loads. The primary load of the .35 Whelen was a 250-grain bullet at around 2,500 fps, though some hunters preferred a 275-grain roundnose, notably a gun writer/guide/rancher named Elmer Keith, who in 1937 stopped a charging Alaskan brown bear with several 275-grain Western Tool & Cooper Works bullets from a .35 Whelen built on a Springfield action. The man had a huge influence on cartridge development; as the commanding officer of the Frankford Arsenal he teamed up with James Howe—later of Griffin & Howe fame—to use the .30-’06 case as the basis for cartridges of many different calibers. TBBC and consistently had great luck. There are a number of good reasons to own a Whelen. I even like it for deer hunting in those areas that have a healthy bear population; while it’s a touch heavy for a universal deer rifle, it will most certainly work, and you’ll be well armed should you bump a bear in a most inconvenient location. The .35 Whelen does its best work on light to mid weight game when loaded with 200-225 grain bullets, the 225 grain weight being versatile across a wide range of game and can tackle Elk … I like the Grand Slams, but I think any regular 250 grain bullet will do as well. Better at shorter ranges rather than cross-canyon shots, but effective just the same. I drive a 225 grain Nosler Partition Jacket 2,800 fps. 35 Whelen by: Steve Koozer Yes Mark the 35 Whelen is just a necked up 30-06 the max COL is the same as the 06 same with the brass trim length. A 200 can be loaded to the same velocity in the .35 Whelen as the 180 in a .30-06. We've got you covered. 17 Caliber.172” Diameter. They just plain expire in their tracks. I think the 200 grain bullets are a poor choice for elk in our type of hunting, similar to what I read about stalking in the 'black timber' of the American rockies. In the 1920s, the magnum-length receivers—required to house the .375 H&H case—were very expensive to import, and if a hunter wanted to approach that level of performance, the .35 Whelen made all kinds of sense. Hornady Hornady Hornady, Speers are't bad either, but are a bit more difficult to get to shoot well in my experience. Take a look at the 375 whelen (Schofield) or the 338-06. Even Remington had given up and was no longer offering rifles in .35 Whelen. Starting velocities ranged from 2350 to 2550 fps, depending on loads. I used a 35 Whelen to take an elk at 210 yards. My fault, but I won't use that bullet on anything big again either. I presume the bullets have held together well, because the wound channels were efficient and the animals all died forthwith -- but I haven't recovered any of the bullets. Being simply the .30-’06 Springfield necked up to hold .358” caliber bullets, the .35 Whelen filled a huge void in the American cartridge lineup. When comparing the larger offspring of the .30-’06 Springfield—the .338-’06 A-Square and the .35 Whelen - you’ll see very similar bullet weights and muzzle velocities. Reloader 15 is really the go to powder and makes the cartridge shine with bullet weights from 200 up to 250 grains. Took a large bodied bull moose last fall at 251yds with the 250gr Speer @ 2550fps from my 35 Whelen... and it punched right on through. I live in Boise City & my .35 can kill deer, elk, … by Philip Massaro - In countries where the Whelen meets the legal requirements, it makes a good choice for lion and leopard, and is a fantastic cartridge for black bears anywhere you find them. The case itself is rather efficient; even the light-for-caliber bullet will run on a powder charge of less than 65 grains, and that powder charge mates perfectly with a standard large rifle primer. All were loaded to 2500 fps. Stay within 250 yards and use the 225 grain Nosler Partition or Woodleigh would be my advice. There are those who prefer the higher Sectional Density figures of the .338” caliber, and then there are those who opt for the larger frontal diameter of the .358” bullets. After a decade of hunting with the 35 Whelen I have gained a fair bit of real-life experience with 35 caliber hunting bullets. The 35 Whelen is a well-behaved cartridge, and is at its best with medium burning powders like IMR4350. Tough gristle plates are no match for the Whelen’s stout bullets, especially when using some of the stronger, modern bullet designs. I've never had a Whelen, so I haven't used either. Todate I've used my whelen on 2 hunts and have taken 3 animals with it. Compared to the 7mm rem mag at 300 yards, the 338-06 still outclasses the 7 by a couple hundred ft-lbs of energy with a bigger heavier bullet; and that's with the same amount of powder as a 270 or 280 and light weight rifle. In my experience, the recoil of the two cartridges is just about the same, or so close as not to make a difference. 223 WSSM. I am planning on taking my Whelen for a elk hunt this coming fall as well. I like the .35 Rem in those situations in a nice light rifle. While there is good evidence that it was Howe, and not Whelen that actually designed the “.35-‘06”, Whelen’s name was attached to it, and the rest is history. 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The .35 Whelen is not the most popular of the .30-‘06s offspring, but it is a well-balanced .35 caliber cartridge; offering more velocity than the .35 Remington or .358 Winchester, yet much less recoil than the .358 Norma Magnum or .358 STA. Thanks, Mike. (Well, OK, there was the one finishing shot through the neck that I found because the ground under the prostrate buck's neck was. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 22 Nosler. 10at6 - My .35 Whelen shoots both the 225 and the 250 grain Noslers very well and they've performed great for me. The 200-grain bullets will move at 2,800 fps from the muzzle, and the heavy 250-grain bullets will achieve an honest 2,450 fps, with an energy figure of over 3,200 ft.-lbs., perfect for the large bears and moose, in addition to any and all of the African plains game. My shots on the elk are generally at close range, I hunt northslope black timber.. The shot was behind the front shoulder. I'm thinking that most shots will be less than 150 yards and in most cases way under that so both guns will be adequate as far as range goes. I am no expert but any recent long action 30-06 bolt gun should be able to be rebarrelled to 35 whelen. 1/14 barrel. You simply DO NOT need a premium in the Whelen....EVER. The 338-06 (338-06 A-Square) is now a factory round. I have taken 15 animals to date with the Federal 225 gr. I tried 250 gr. The 35 whelen is a fine round for hunting. Any idea which might perform better? I can highly recommend two loads for the 35 Whelen, the 200 gr Hornady Superformance for Deer and Hog and the 250 gr Nosler Partition for African PG. I suspect it would do the job … I've shot 8 elk with the .35 Whelen, 5 elk (and one moose and one caribou) with the 250 speer GS, one elk with the speer 250 psp, one with a Hornady 250RN, One with Barnes x 225. I have taken large and tough animals with this rifle (elk in Colorado and Idaho, and zebra in South Africa) … 20 Nosler. I have tried the new Nosler Custom loads and have been pleased with the accuracy of both the 225 gr. The 35 Whelen has held on because it is a good cartridge, pushes a bigger bullet than the 30-06, bigger is always better on game, and works fine out to 300 yards, which is far enough for most shooter's abilities. Going Rem 700 opens up lots of options for supporting parts. I've had great luck with the 250gr Speer hotcore. She went down in a hurry. For Elk, I would use either the 225 gr … Even Weatherby is building rifles for it. Looking for previous installments of Behind the Bullet? I made it a point to use the whelen and 225 tsx on deer this year to see if expansion would be an issue. While it was conceived in 1922, it would remain a wildcat until Remington—who seems to have a knack for legitimizing some of the best wildcats—gave it a certificate of legitimacy in 1988, in their Model 700 Classic rifle. Also, H&R 1871 Inc. offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. if you don t need to take a cross canyon shot the 35 Whelen is a better than a magnum because it can be considerably lighter on a 20 /22 inch barrel,,, Inside 300 yards the Whelen drops Elk/Moose as well as any magnum I want my elk bullets to penetrate fully because we hunt in dense bush and have no tracking snow during our early season here is Saskatchewan. For a while rifle makers abandoned the cartridge. Such velocity and weight, not to mention diameter, put a Whelen in the league of 300-yard elk doings. 222 Rem. All were loaded to 2500 fps. Broadside shot through the lungs made a big hole and jellied the lungs pretty good. One of the .35 Whelen's only failings is that 0.358-inch-diameter bullets in typical weights have relatively low BCs. 250 grains of bullet is a LOT of bullet and elk sure as heck are not hard to kill when hit remotely well. “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” So goes the quote from Col. Townsend Whelen, and he was right. I LOVE it!! You'll be more than fine for elk. 221 Rem Fireball. Or better yet, find a 30-06 Ruger 1 or Winchester 1885 highwall and have it rebored to 35 whelen. What I really love it for, however, is tough stuff that I’m extremely unlikely to encounter, or get shots at, at longer distances. The previous year I used a 270WSM. The .35 Whelen is fully capable of using the full range of .35 caliber bullets, including the big 250-grain slugs. you got .35 Whelen. Post subject: Re: 35 Whelen Elk Loads. What follows is a review of the 3 bullets I have used the most; 225 grain Nosler Accubond, 250 grain Speer Hot-Cor, and the 225 grain Barnes TSX. 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